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greetings to all the lovers of the

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the sky watchers of the night

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hello citizens and welcome to unknown

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i'm jason mcclellan thanks for hanging

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out with me there's lots of talk these

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about ufos and the u.s government

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members of congress receiving briefings

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about ufos

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the senate select committee on

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intelligence requests for a ufo report

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and the pentagon's uap task force

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although it might appear that the

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current government interest in ufos

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demonstrates an unprecedented level of

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seriousness being shown toward the

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subject

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and a unique opportunity for the

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government to get to the bottom of the

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ufo mystery

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we're actually just seeing more of what

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has transpired at various government

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levels

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many times before today

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we're going to look back together at a

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few notable examples of members of

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congress taking a serious interest in

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and we'll also quickly breeze through

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some of the us government's previous

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actions taken in response to concerns

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as we've discussed on previous episodes

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back in june of 2020 the intelligence

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authorization act for fiscal year 2021

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was submitted by senator marco rubio on

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behalf of the senate select committee on

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intelligence

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within the committee comments was a

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section titled advanced aerial threats

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this essentially details a request for a

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report to be assembled

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to provide a summary of the current ufo

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situation

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by the director of national intelligence

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in consultation with the secretary of

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and other relevant parties and the

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source of that information

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is supposed to come from a few different

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sources including the navy the fbi

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and the pentagon's uap task force this

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request

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asks for a report containing an analysis

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of ufo data

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held by various departments and other

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governmental bodies

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along with suggestions for improving

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interagency data sharing

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and it asks for a report to be submitted

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within 180 days

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of the date of the enactment of the

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intelligence authorization act

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this act bounced around for bill to

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build a bill but ultimately wound up

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stuffed in the big omnibus

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appropriations bill

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at the end of 2020 this report request

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has received a decent amount of press

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both here in the states and

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before this request from the senate

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select committee on intelligence

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found its way into a bill that was

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senator marco rubio was asked about it

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rubio stated but the bottom line is if

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there are things flying over your

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military bases and

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you don't know what they are because

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they're not yours and they exhibit

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potentially technologies that you don't

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have at your own disposal

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that to me is a national security risk

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and one that we should be looking into

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marco rubio is just one in a long line

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of members of congress who have publicly

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in getting a better understanding of the

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us military's assessment of the ufo

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just in recent years there have been

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more than a few stories published about

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inquiring about ufos and in some cases

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even receiving briefings on the topic in

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politico published a story highlighting

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the concerns of

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congressman mark walker of north

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intelligence and counter-terrorism

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the article explains that representative

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and was accusing the us navy of

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withholding information about ufos

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according to walker after hearing about

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those well-publicized navy ufo videos

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and he also asked quote does the

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department continue to dedicate

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according to politico the response he

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received simply states

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and continues to log sightings and fully

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end quote representative walker told

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that he believes congress needs to know

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what efforts have been made by the

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officially concluded in 2012. he stated

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where are the resources coming from end

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that constituents and the american

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this desire by some members of congress

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that led to the creation of a special

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announcing the formation of its

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the dod explained that the uap task

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force was established quote

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end quote and its mission is to quote

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that could potentially pose a threat to

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end quote this sounds great

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but it also sounds very familiar

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in 1948 the military established project

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initially named project saucer to quote

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sightings on the premise that ufos might

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harry truman was hearing all about the

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wave of ufo sightings taking place

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and he wanted to know what the military

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the air material command of the newly

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march of 1966 announcing that he

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ford added quote i think the american

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which some persons alleged to have taken

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then in april of 1966 congressman ford

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quote as i had expected some persons

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apparently are unaware that the house

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has scheduled a closed-door hearing on

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the matter tuesday with the air force

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which held two days of hush hush

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hearings five years ago

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karth is confirmed in conversations with

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that he conducted these secret hearings

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the present science and astronautics

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representative george p miller has shied

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away from a ufo pro at this time

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saying his committee does not have

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jurisdiction over the air force

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brooks obviously had

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different ideas because he tapped karth

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to summon air force witnesses

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and question them after a flurry of ufo

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sightings in 1961.

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karthus informed me that his

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subcommittee made an oral report

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to the full committee but never released

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anything to the public

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according to charles f de kender the

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no record was made of conversations

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between clark subcommittee members and

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the hearings he said took place in

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i have never said that i believe any of

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the reported ufo sightings indicate

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visits to earth from other planets apart

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from pranks and natural phenomena

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some of these objects may well be

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and in this way reassure the american

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there would be no need to go into detail

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on the nature of the experiments

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end quote congressman ford's pushing

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paid off

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at least to some degree because later

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that month

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the house armed services committee

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convened a hearing on ufos

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and the highlights from this are

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essentially

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number one air force secretary harold

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brown

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and the air force's scientific

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consultant on project blue book

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dr j allen heineck telling the committee

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that although five percent of the cases

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investigated by the air force

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remained unidentified that there was no

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evidence of ufos being extraterrestrial

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and that no competent scientist believed

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the ufos came from outer space

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which resulted in a new york times

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article that explained

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quote the secretary of the air force

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assured a congressional committee today

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there was no evidence that the earth had

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ever been visited by strangers from

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outer space end quote

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and number two the secretary of the air

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force hinted

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at the coming formation of an outside

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review of project blue book

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and an independent study of blue book

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cases

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this turned out to be the university of

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colorado's scientific study of ufos

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which you might know as the condon

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committee

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study ran from 1966 to

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1968 in addition to looking at the air

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force's project blue book files

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this committee also evaluated ufo

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reports from civilian ufo groups too

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at least initially and the general

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conclusion reached by this study

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was that quote nothing has come from the

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study of ufos in the past 21 years that

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has added to scientific knowledge

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careful consideration of the record as

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it is available to us

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leads us to conclude that further

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extensive study of ufos

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probably cannot be justified in the

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expectation that science

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will be advanced thereby end quote

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the committee also recommended against

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the formation of any government program

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to investigate ufos

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the opinions of the content committee

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contributed to the air force's decision

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to shut down project blue book in 1969

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the house science and astronautics

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committee held a hearing on ufos two

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years after the hearing held by the

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house armed services committee

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at this symposium on unidentified flying

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objects

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six scientists testified five of whom

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were of the opinion that ufos

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demonstrated a valid scientific anomaly

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that needed to be investigated further

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in fact dr robert baker an engineering

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professor from ucla

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recommended the formation of a

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well-funded long-term

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interdisciplinary mobile task force of

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highly qualified scientists

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who could investigate anomalous

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phenomena as reports came in

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sadly that never happened

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since we just mentioned the house armed

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services committee let's jump over to

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the senate

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services committee

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senator richard russell took an interest

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in the ufo subject

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by way of a personal sighting the

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senator was

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on a train traveling through the soviet

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union when he saw a large

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disc shaped object out the window he

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watched this ufo

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slowly ascend as flames shot out beneath

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it

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they saw a

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second ufo do the same thing

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when the senator reached prague he

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reported the sighting to the u.s embassy

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word about senator russell's siding

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spread and media outlets

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inquired about the event but the senator

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reportedly replied

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quote i have discussed this matter with

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the affected agencies

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and they are of the opinion that it is

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not wise to publicize this matter at

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this time

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end quote it seems that people serving

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on the armed services committees

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have a knack for ufos barry goldwater is

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another senator who served as the chair

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of the senate armed services committee

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as well as the senate intelligence

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committee

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and goldwater had a known interest in

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ufos

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and he tried to look into government

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information when he was in office

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he spoke about ufos on multiple

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occasions but one interesting instance

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was in 1994 on larry king live

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senator goldwater told larry king quote

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i think at wright patterson

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if you could get into certain places

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you'd find out what the air force

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and the government does know about ufos

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reportedly a spaceship landed it was all

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hushed up

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i called curtis lemay and i said general

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i know we have a room at

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wright-patterson where you put all this

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secret stuff could i go in there

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i've never heard general lemay get mad

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but he got madder than hell at me

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cussed me out and said don't ever ask me

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that question again

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end quote he didn't stop looking

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goldwater also claimed that he

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encountered quote one long string of

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denials from

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chief after chief end quote and he got

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so frustrated

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that he just gave up after a while

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steven schiff is another member of

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congress who tried to obtain military

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information about ufos

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more specifically this representative

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from new mexico

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tried to get information about the

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infamous roswell ufo crash of 1947.

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in 1993 congressman schiff asked the air

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force to declassify

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and provide him with all the material

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related to the incident

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but the air force dodged his request

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this refusal to comply with the

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congressional request

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pissed him off so he contacted

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the government accountability office it

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took the gao launching an investigation

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for the air force to respond to

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congressman schiff's request

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but ultimately the response was

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unsatisfying

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the air force claimed that any files

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pertaining to the roswell incident

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had been destroyed and they offered the

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explanation that a top-secret balloon

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project

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designed to listen for soviet nuclear

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detonations

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is the likely explanation for what

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crashed in roswell in 1947.

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the gao didn't find the air force's

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response convincing

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and neither did congressman schiff but

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that's all they got

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and in more recent years we can't forget

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to mention harry reid

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who in 2007 when he was the senate

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majority leader

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along with two other senators secured

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funding for a new program tasked with

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looking into ufos and other strange

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things

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but that effort reportedly ended in

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2012.

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it's not clear what if anything

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worthwhile

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came from this effort but reid recently

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made it clear that he has

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no knowledge nor has he ever suggested

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that quote the federal government or

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any entity has unidentified flying

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objects or debris from other worlds

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end quote this is just a really quick

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look

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at a sample of members of congress who

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have inquired about ufos

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it's always fascinating to look back at

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what has transpired within the

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government and the military

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when it comes to the ufo subject

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especially in light of what's taking

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place right now in the united states

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with the senate select committee on

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intelligence's request for a ufo report

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we've seen members of congress ask for

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information about ufos

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we've seen congressional hearings on

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ufos

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hell we've even seen a call back in 1977

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for the quote establishment of an agency

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or a department

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of the united nations for undertaking

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coordinating

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and disseminating the results of

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research into unidentified flying

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objects and related phenomena end quote

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but not much ever comes from these

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government-related efforts

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that is aside from negative results like

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being denied the requested information

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and

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detrimental

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having official government

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determinations that

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aside from a few peculiar things here

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and there

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there's really nothing all that

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interesting or concerning about ufos

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and sadly this has largely been the

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result

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every time the government has looked at

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ufos

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i know i've said it before and i'll keep

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repeating it

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when we look at history and pair that

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with what we see transpiring right now

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it's my personal opinion that the us

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government

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including its military knows very little

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about ufos aside from knowing about

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unusual

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or unexplainable sightings and capturing

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some of these incidents on radar and

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other signals intelligence systems

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that's great data and stuff i'd

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certainly love to have a peek at

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but nothing suggests that the government

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is any closer to identifying or

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answering ufo questions than an average

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ufo researcher is

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in fact we've been told that the

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government and military groups that look

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into ufos

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rely heavily on ufo researchers

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and information from the ufo research

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community

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for their knowledge and information

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related to the subject

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chris mellon who served as deputy

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assistant director of defense for

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intelligence

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under two administrations told

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journalists and author leslie kane back

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in 2016

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quote i highly doubt the department of

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defense

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or any other government agency is

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concealing ufo information

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i participated in a comprehensive review

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of dod's black programs

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and spent over a decade conducting

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oversight of the national foreign

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intelligence program

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and almost totally separate world of

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secrets

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i visited area 51 and other military

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intelligence and research facilities

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during all those years i never detected

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the faintest hint

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of government interest or involvement in

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ufos end quote

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going further kane brought up the topic

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of pushing for the declassification of

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government ufo documents

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melon stated quote while a few new

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previously overlooked documents

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might turn up i do not believe they

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would resolve

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the ufo issue or provide significant new

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insights

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i can think of one lengthy ufo report

586
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that is classified

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only due to concerns over sources and

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methods

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in fact it identified a convincing

590
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conventional explanation for the pilot

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sighting

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in this particular case there are lots

593
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of classified documents related to

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activities at area 51

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where high security is needed but this

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is all legitimate stuff the american

597
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people would support

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they have nothing to do with ufos to the

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best of my knowledge

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end quote during his time in office

601
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chris mellon also served as the staff

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director of the senate select committee

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on intelligence

604
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the very same committee that initiated

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00:21:07,029 --> 00:21:04,720
the current ufo report request

606
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just a little fun ufo trivia there for

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you

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but back to thinking about congressional

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ufo interest and

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more broadly about public pressure on

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congress

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to look into ufos and or hold hearings

613
00:21:21,830 --> 00:21:19,200
about ufos

614
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we know it's been done before with the

615
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current ufo report request by the senate

616
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select committee on intelligence

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part of the request is for information

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about ufos from the military

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the us military has had multiple ufo

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projects that we know of

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and probably more we don't know about

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but

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from the ones we do know about their

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conclusion

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has been clear that although ufos are

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real

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they aren't a national security threat

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and it's not worth the time to study

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them

630
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and of course we can't forget the

631
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negative results of these projects

632
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and related efforts like the condon

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committee and the cia's robertson panel

634
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you know in addition to saying that ufos

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aren't worth anybody's interest

636
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they actively went to work to discredit

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the subject

638
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and those who claim to see ufos and even

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those who simply had a casual interest

640
00:22:14,149 --> 00:22:11,679
in the subject

641
00:22:15,669 --> 00:22:14,159
public relations campaigns were designed

642
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to convince the public

643
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that ufos were nothing unusual or

644
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extraordinary

645
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and that anybody who believed in ufos

646
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was a crackpot

647
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this my friends has been the result of

648
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pushing for government information

649
00:22:30,470 --> 00:22:28,799
related to ufos

650
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there are current movements underway to

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pressure members of congress to take up

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the ufo issue

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and i guess that's cool as i always say

654
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i think it's great for people to try all

655
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the things

656
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all the time but we've been down that

657
00:22:46,149 --> 00:22:43,440
road before

658
00:22:46,950 --> 00:22:46,159
and like i mentioned i think everything

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we've seen

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00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,799
suggests that the government doesn't

661
00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:50,880
really know more about ufos

662
00:22:55,270 --> 00:22:53,840
than ufo researchers already do so it

663
00:22:58,310 --> 00:22:55,280
seems like a futile attempt

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and wasted energy it seems to me

665
00:23:02,310 --> 00:23:00,799
that there are bigger targets for broad

666
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:02,320
community support

667
00:23:05,669 --> 00:23:03,919
like any of the interesting scientific

668
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,679
efforts taking place right now

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00:23:09,590 --> 00:23:07,520
like the osiris project by jeremy

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00:23:10,950 --> 00:23:09,600
mcgowan and sky hub

671
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these are just a couple at the top of my

672
00:23:15,270 --> 00:23:13,120
head but i really do believe

673
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that the best use of time energy and

674
00:23:18,549 --> 00:23:17,120
money when it comes to finding out more

675
00:23:20,310 --> 00:23:18,559
about ufos

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00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:20,320
is either supporting new and interesting

677
00:23:24,789 --> 00:23:22,240
efforts of other researchers

678
00:23:26,230 --> 00:23:24,799
or doing something new and interesting

679
00:23:28,710 --> 00:23:26,240
on your own

680
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sure complaining to members of congress

681
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and hoping for the government to provide

682
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:31,919
you with all the answers to the things

683
00:23:35,909 --> 00:23:32,960
you want to know

684
00:23:38,149 --> 00:23:35,919
would be nice but at this point that's

685
00:23:40,070 --> 00:23:38,159
not a realistic expectation

686
00:23:42,630 --> 00:23:40,080
rather than petitioning random regular

687
00:23:45,269 --> 00:23:42,640
people who have no idea about ufos

688
00:23:47,269 --> 00:23:45,279
wouldn't it be more useful to petition

689
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scientists and various experts to

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00:23:51,430 --> 00:23:48,320
examine and weigh

691
00:23:51,830 --> 00:23:51,440
in on specific ufo incidents that at

692
00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:51,840
least

693
00:23:57,269 --> 00:23:54,799
might yield some useful information and

694
00:24:00,149 --> 00:23:57,279
progress ufo research

695
00:24:00,630 --> 00:24:00,159
congressional ufo interest is cool and

696
00:24:02,870 --> 00:24:00,640
we can

697
00:24:04,630 --> 00:24:02,880
certainly hope for some useful things to

698
00:24:07,430 --> 00:24:04,640
result from that interest

699
00:24:07,909 --> 00:24:07,440
but we'll also keep our fingers crossed

700
00:24:10,789 --> 00:24:07,919
that

701
00:24:12,149 --> 00:24:10,799
said interest doesn't bite us in the ass

702
00:24:16,470 --> 00:24:12,159
as it has

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well citizens that's going to do it for

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00:24:21,269 --> 00:24:19,760
this episode you can always find more

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00:24:22,950 --> 00:24:21,279
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podcast platforms

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and you can always find this show and

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00:24:27,750 --> 00:24:26,320
our other shows at rogueplanet.tv

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00:24:28,590 --> 00:24:27,760
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712
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:32,000
strange

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00:24:35,750 --> 00:24:33,360
thanks again for hanging out today i'm

714
00:24:37,190 --> 00:24:35,760
jason mcclellan do us a favor friends

715
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:37,200
always treat the ufo subject with the

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00:24:40,070 --> 00:24:39,120
cautious and responsible skepticism it

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00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,080
deserves

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00:24:43,190 --> 00:24:42,400
question everything have the courage to

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form your own

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00:24:46,390 --> 00:24:45,840
opinions keep truth as the focus of your

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quest

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00:24:50,230 --> 00:24:48,080
even if the truth conflicts with your

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opinions and of course